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Adamsm
Orcs were not under the burning legion, read Tides of Darkness.
How dare you blame the humans for Onyxia when they took her head the second they found out.
Last time for this: The Orcs were still under the effect of the Blood Curse during the first and second war, so they were still considered to be part of the Legion, till Grom cleansed them by killing Mannaroth.
And Irindia is saying the Human's have done evil things (aka Killing Varian's wife) due to manipulations by Onyxia and the House of Nobles, she was in command of Stormwind for the entire time Varian was missing. And the House of Nobles was corrupt long before she showed up.
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Adamsm
Deathwing claimed to be a Prestor. When he was found out, he went in hiding if I recall corrrectly.Actually, he got the snot kicked out of him by the Aspects after the Demon Soul was shattered, and went into hiding after that, and without him around, Terenas and the other's realized they had been under some kind of a spell, and no one could find Lord "Prestor" after that point to question him.
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Well, would have to depend on how many Lordaeron nobles made it south, don't forget he was trying to take over Alterac then Lordaeron, and considering the conflicts: Stormwind and the Mason's and Lordaeron and well... the Scourge, kind of hard to share information heh. If there were no Lordaeron nobles at the Stormwind court and Lady Prestor showed up with forged papers from the King of Lordaeron saying she was an okay person..... or even a note from her daddy, saying "Look after my poor innocent daughter in this time of unease and death."
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Nope, the events of Deathwing pretending to be a Prestor were in Day of the Dragon. And Lady Prestor didn't show up in Stormwind till after the 3rd war was well under way... I think. But yeah, they should have checked all the backgrounds very throughly.
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Rankkor
every human who spawned such as you shall be destroyed
you seem to love to quote that line all the time, but I have a diferent interpretation for it,
saying "every human shall be destroyed" is not the same as saying "every human
who spawned such as you
shall be destroyed"
this implicates that sylvannas wishes to destroy the humans who behave like arthas.
how did arthas behave? a massive zealot, willing to do massive genocide, wihtout looking for alternatives, without seeing other solutions, they are there, they shall die
the scarlet crusade are plp who spawned such as arthas, for they have the same genocidal ideology as him.
it is these humans whom the forsaken aim to destroy.
I have seen thier dark quests in just about every where,
me too, before the wrathgate, most if not all of the forsaken quests were very dark and gloomy and evil, but again, after wrathgate all the horde quests point that no more blight is being manufactured, that's a step in the right direction.
and
and all I can say is, even if they have changed, there is little they can do to redeem themselves; experimenting on children is a sentence-to-death crime. .
those who experimented on children are dead, unless u dind't noticed, on the battle for undercity about 500000 forsaken who allied themselves with putress died, both at the hands of the horde and the alliance alike.
And a written source ANYWHERE even hinting they have changed would be nice
again , u miss the point, I have said it many times, they HAVE NOT changed yet, they just started the prossess, how? not manufacturing blight for one thing.
u must understand that changes don't happen from day to night, it's a slow process, the blood-elves didn't redeemed themselves on a day. they took 1 step in the right direction and then another, and then another and then another.
the forsaken (for now) have only taken 1 step only, on reforming themselves, (that step is not manufacturing deadly viral weapons) but their change won't happen untill new lore is added.
since the wrathgate stuff is new, there is still no new lore regarding the forsaken, but I bet u anything that on future patches and expantions this plot arch will be expanded by blizz (or not, only time will tell)
Garona+Llane= Assassinated
Doomhammer+Lothar= Killed (Dont say somthing like "But he died in honor", thats like beating a elderly person to death, but if it was in honor, it was ok.
Self+Peace summit= Enslaved
Self (again...)+Anduin+Peace summit= Attempted assassination
1:old horde did it
2: old horde did it
3: no horde did it.
4: no horde did it.
that's why I said that he can't let the past go, the old horde did horrible things but the new horde hasn't, the wrathgate tragedy wasn't a plan of the horde, it was the burning legion.
but whenever something bad happens to varian he blames the horde.
I can't stress enough how badly u must see the diference from old horde to new horde.
And I dont need to have rerolled horde to look at every thing like you do to like the Forsaken. Skreeran loves the Horde, but does not like the Forsaken
I've never said that I like the forsaken, in fact my first post in this forum (u can find it on the thread "plea of understanding for the horde" authored by skeeran) I stated that the forsaken are indeed evil.
however, while I disaprove of their methods, I believe them capable of redemption, wich is something both u and the rest of azeroth seem incapable of doing.
I strongly disaproved of the blood-elves draining the life out of that poor naaru in silvermoon, but hey hey hey the blood-elves changed, so why-o-why the forsaken can't?
don't forget that who trew the first stone? it wasn' the forsaken, they were hit first by the humans so it's their right to defend themselves (now, the methods of their defense are what I disaprove, and strongly)
Your right, they could be- Innocents, Alliance, neutral, criminals, scarlets, good guys, and children
I have never ever seen a children in the undercity, neither alliance, nor horde nor nothing, no children has ever being sent there.
And also, the Humans only do what they do in defense to to Forsaken wanting to kill them all
and the forsaken do what they do to defend themselves form the humans, wich trew the first stone at them, they started it, not the forsaken.
/boink fwip
Orcs were not under the burning legion, read Tides of Darkness
right, how did the orcs came to azeroth? the dark portal, who opened the dark portal? medivh, who was controlling medivh? sargeras, to whom is sargera's alllegiance? the burning legion
there, loop in your logic.
the legion wanted to invade azeroth again , but since they had their rears kicked on the first invation they wanted aonther army to "soften up" the world's defenses and pave the way for their invation, so they used the orcs for that purpuse, but not directly rather by manipulation.
since the orcs failed they created the scourge to do what the orcs could not.
read the manual of warcraft III buddy.
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Adamsm
this implicates that
Sylvanas
wishes to destroy the humans who behave like arthas.
Fix'ed.
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Rankkor
woops thanks addams xD my bad, I've fixed it and added new juice
edit: and darkton, what did we talk about quoting the entire post of someone? that's a no-no, there is no need, we already taugh you how to properly quote, in case u forgot here is a refreshment course.
step 1: click and drag the mouse over the specific spot u wanna quote, and highlight it.
Step 2: press ctrl+c
Step 3: type (without the dots)
Step 4: press ctrl+v
Step 5: type (without the dots)
Step 6: haha
easy aint it?
Post by
Skreeran
And then there's
Dan Golthas
...
"When I clawed my way out of the grave, I thought my family would welcome me with open arms. Instead, they drove me out of the village, screaming in a language I could no longer understand."
I'd also like to add this to my argument about Humans being aggressive to Forsaken before the Forsaken did to the humans.There was another good one I took from Ashbringer comic about Alexandros Mograine and Bridgette Abbendis plotting to wipe out the Forsaken while they were still building Undercity... Trying to find the post now...
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Skreeran
Aha!
The Alliance has made zero effort, because the Forsaken are not intrested. They all see humans as scum to azeroth, and want them all dead. The Thassurian and Ebon Blade inncident proves that if they tried, they would be welcomed back. But no; they are ruled by a crazy witch wanting to destroy humanity, and most of them feel extremly loyal to her. Just look at thier quests, they hate humans, and you harass humans for fighting back. The Forsaken want nothing more then death to the Alliance, and all this "o pls, dat was vallina wow, dey good guyz now" is all a load of crap, give me one damn source; im tired of hearing that they changed thier evil ways when its not said anywhere.How do you know? To quote Dan Golthas: "When I clawed my way out of the grave, I thought my family would welcome me with open arms. Instead, they drove me out of the village, screaming in a language I could no longer understand." Seems he tried to go back to his people, and I imagine many more did as well.
And look at Mograine and Abbendis' conversation on it:
Brigitte Abbendis: These "Liberated Undead" have been toiling for weeks. But to what end?
Alexandros Mograine: They are calling themselves the Forsaken, Brigette. And I suspect they intend to take Lordaeron's old Capital as their own.
Abbendis: Whatever they call themselves, I say we attack the worm-ridden filth now, before they're fully entrenched!
Mograine: Did you learn nother at Stratholme? These are not mindless drones like the Scourge. No, this new enemy is calculating, organized. Disciplined. I agree they must be dealt with, but it will take a superior force to do so. If your father's right about Tyr's Hand, we may recruit additional personnel from there. Once we've amassed an army, we will obliterate them, but not before.Doesn't seem they ever thought to accept them, whether the Forsaken were interested or not.
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What Skreeran said + What I said - Plenty of proof that the Humans wanted the Forsaken dead before the Forsaken wanted the Humans dead.That's funny, because in
this thread
I pretty clearly demonstrated that the Forsaken attacked the humans long before any of the things you're talking about.
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Skreeran
What Skreeran said + What I said - Plenty of proof that the Humans wanted the Forsaken dead before the Forsaken wanted the Humans dead.That's funny, because in
this thread
I pretty clearly demonstrated that the Forsaken attacked the humans long before any of the things you're talking about.And like I said there, Garithos would have done the same thing if he had the capability.
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