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Post by
Gone
FYI, lore wise shadow priests dont exist, so if worgen can be priests i agree, they should be paladins as well, particularly because they were very recently human, remember the forsaken were cursed for 10 years before world of warcraft launched, worgen players couldnt have been cursed for more than a month or so before they get the cure
And quite frankley, being a worgen seems a lot more fun than being forsaken, your skin dosnt rot, you can still look human, you dont get shunned by society (at least not as much), so it seems likley that worgen players wouldnt turn their back on the light, the way the forsaken likley have
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Post by
Gone
Lorewise shadow priests DO exist, it's the reason undeads and partly trolls (Loas, another "tree" entirely but only 3 specs per class) can be priests.
Lorewise there are no nelf holy / shadow priests either, they are all discipline.
source?
Post by
Atik
People keep saying they can be pallys because they can be priests.... With that logic Shouldn't the forsaken be able to have pallys?
Edit: (no I don't want this, just applying logic)
And now that the curse has swept through, the same is true for Worgen.
The light shuns those who are cursed, and denies them its power. Only creatures like Keal's elves can "force" the light to do what they want.
Post by
Adamsm
FYI, lore wise shadow priests dont existExcept for the entire Cult of Forgotten Shadow, which are made up entirely of Forsaken Shadow Priests, who even use the Shadow to heal their fallen undead brethren.....
Post by
Monday
People keep saying they can be pallys because they can be priests.... With that logic Shouldn't the forsaken be able to have pallys?
Edit: (no I don't want this, just applying logic)
And now that the curse has swept through, the same is true for Worgen.
The light shuns those who are cursed, and denies them its power. Only creatures like Keal's elves can "force" the light to do what they want.
The Light has yet to be said to harm Worgen. It harms undead and demons. The Worgen are neither.
FYI, lore wise shadow priests dont exist,
l2research brah. The Cult of the Forgotten Shadow, AKA, the major religion of the Forsaken, are
all
Shadow Priests.
Post by
Adamsm
The Light has yet to be said to harm Worgen. It harms undead and demons. The Worgen are neither. True, but we've seen outside effects cause certain aspects to no longer work in some of the races; Broken and their loss of the Light after the Battle for Shattrah anyone? Yes, Fel Gas was involved, but still, we don't know the full effect of the Curse either at this point.
Post by
Monday
The Light has yet to be said to harm Worgen. It harms undead and demons. The Worgen are neither. True, but we've seen outside effects cause certain aspects to no longer work in some of the races; Broken and their loss of the Light after the Battle for Shattrah anyone? Yes, Fel Gas was involved, but still, we don't know the full effect of the Curse either at this point.
But at this point there is the Light's Dawn Cathedral, and from what it looks like,
Worgen priests use the Light
.
Granted, that is before the transformation, but not long.
Post by
Atik
The Light has yet to be said to harm Worgen. It harms undead and demons. The Worgen are neither. True, but we've seen outside effects cause certain aspects to no longer work in some of the races; Broken and their loss of the Light after the Battle for Shattrah anyone? Yes, Fel Gas was involved, but still, we don't know the full effect of the Curse either at this point.
But at this point there is the Light's Dawn Cathedral, and from what it looks like,
Worgen priests use the Light
.
Granted, that is before the transformation, but not long.
We have no idea how long you are a Worgen. And if the Cathedral was there before the Gilneans lost faith, I doubt they would tear it down.
It is the city's center, a referance point for residents and a sign of safety. Notice how the Gilneans seek shelter in the church, yet not a single one prays while they are there. Not a single Worgen prays during the rest of the starting zone either. And, on top of this, we hardly see any Worgen priests, let alone Holy ones.
Post by
Monday
It is the city's center, a referance point for residents and a sign of safety. Notice how the Gilneans seek shelter in the church, yet not a single one prays while they are there. Not a single Worgen prays during the rest of the starting zone either.
The only people that pray in WoW are heretics and blasphemers. I'm not joking.
Post by
dumac
I think it is simple due how gilnean are as a people. To understand humans in wow, you need to understand how they lived during the years. Humans are divided into 7 kingdoms, some have fallen. Paladin order comes from order of silver hand who was created in Lordaeron by clerks from northshire during the second war.
Gilnean was a part of the second war, but they was still fiercely independant. So right after the war ended they left the alliance and had little contact with the other leaders.
This shows they really did not have much interaction if they can with the other humans. Now the order of silver hand may have existed in Gilnean but i doubt they was very many and if they even had any place to stationed at.
Some mention Church of light exist in Gilnean... So what, all humans have believed in the light for a whole lot longer than the order of paladins have existed. We also do not even know how much contact the Gilnean church of light have with the church of light in lorderon(destroyed, undead now) or Church of light in the Stormwind. It is more than realistic to say they had very little dealing with each other then the Gilnean started to seclude themself before finally closing the gate.
My point is that during the time Paladins existed, The gilnean started to cut them off more with the world. So it is more than possible the teaching never got a good foothold in Gilnean.
Shamans rather than paladins for worgen as another user said.
Post by
lordlundar
Well posted dumac.
I'd like to ad that the Order of the Silver Hand was trained fighting the forces of darkness and to not back down under any odds, following the example of Lord Lothar who, even while ambushed, fought to his last breath. I'd put good money that when Gilneas decided to cut themselves off, any members of the Order became so incensed with such an act of cowardice that they left.
And that's assuming that they weren't banished because they serve the alliance over a single kingdom.
Post by
ExperimentX4d2
Alright I've gone all out nerd here and done some backgrounding.
The first paladins (So Uther, Tirion, etc.) were first formed at the start of the second war.
The paladin's ways, faith and whatever spread over the lands throughout the war, especially after Turalyon's death.
The Greymane wall was built at the end of the war.
Surely the Gilnean's would've got SOME kind of paladin influence.
And no, I'm not gonna say
'Oh, any race that can be a priest and a warrior, can be a paladin'
, cos that's
retarded
. THat'd mean Troll, Undead, Night Elf, Gnome (Oh god), Goblin… So yeah.
And druids……
"We were driven to the edge of extinction once before, <name>. But we druids, keepers of the old ways, saved our people from famine." Celestine of the Harvest
Keepers of the Old ways? WHAT OLD WAYS? There never WERE any human druids in lore! If they could never learn it BEFORE they were isolated, why can they WHILE they're isolated? Who taught them? Can't be another race, hence the
Isolation
.
So yeah, that's my argument. We all know Blizzard can be tricked by its own lore. Just look at Red Shirt Guy.
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Post by
Farmington
Dk's are also cursed!
Why don't they have the right to be pallys? :o
Because Death Knights are a Class, not a Race.
Oh rite, sorry :/
My draenei DK plays a pallie. She's very good at bubbling.
She's also chaotic neutral. It drives my guildies nuts.
Post by
Monday
Keepers of the Old ways? WHAT OLD WAYS? There never WERE any human druids in lore! If they could never learn it BEFORE they were isolated, why can they WHILE they're isolated? Who taught them? Can't be another race, hence the Isolation.
Harvest Witches. They control nature through arcane magic, so when the Night Elves came they switched over.
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Post by
Monday
I mean seriously, The Light, like any religion, could be for sale if the price is right.
I see you don't really have an understanding of how God works (since, let's face it, the Light is a flimsy cover for God).
Post by
craftyard
First of all, the worgen curse is NOT shadow based, it is druidic, meaning that worgen are not necissarily corrupted in the same way demons are, and therefore, are able to practice holy magics. This is also backed up by the fact that worgens can be priests.
However, they cannot be paladins simply out of choice. Gilneans may practice the ways of the holy light, like priests, however they aren't well equipped to ENFORCE the ways of the light, much like paladins do. Think about it, they've been closed behind the greymane wall for almost a decade, paladins are known for travelling all over the world to vanquish evil, which very few gilneans had the opportunity to do.
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