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Post by
Kramp
It's not useless but between shield slams, revenge, thunder claps, demo shout, we don't have a lot of GCD that we can give to devastate.
Of course, not using it at all is foolish.
Post by
Shiverlynn
Now I've been healing for a while and I just want to know what has been happening with warriors. My friend is leveling up a DK and I'm trying to help him get some gear in a few instances.
Now the warriors I see suck. They lose agro constantly and just generally have no idea
. When I target the mobs we are pulling there are no sunders on the mobs. When I recommend using devastate they just tell me its useless. So am I right or are they right?
I've bolded the problem. The warriors you've seen sucked, but that doesn't mean they suck all.
We don't start with Sunders or Devastates anymore. We start with harder hitting abilities that sometimes have innate threat to boot such as Shield Slam. Then we have Revenge, that can proc a free Shield Slam, so we still won't use Devastate. Then if tanking trash the warrior will use Thunder Clap and Shockwave to generate AoE threat, again no Devastate. Then there's Concussive Blow to build even more aggro.
And if all of these abilities are on CD or haven't procced, only then we use Devastate. It's not useless. It's low on the priority list.
Maybe your friend was in Frost Presence so the warrior tank lost aggro? Or maybe he was a beginner and could have used more practice while your friend was going all-out DPS? It's not always the tank's fault if he's being outthreated.
Post by
Fakir
Now I've been healing for a while and I just want to know what has been happening with warriors.
My friend is leveling up a DK and I'm trying to help him get some gear in a few instances.
Now the warriors I see suck. They lose agro constantly and just generally have no idea. When I target the mobs we are pulling there are no sunders on the mobs. When I recommend using devastate they just tell me its useless. So am I right or are they right?
Don't generalise from what you see players that are still levelling up do. You're right. Unless they played their warrior in TBC they probably don't have a clue - yet.
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Post by
marklartank
Now I've been healing for a while and I just want to know what has been happening with warriors. My friend is leveling up a DK and I'm trying to help him get some gear in a few instances. Now the warriors I see suck. They lose agro constantly and just generally have no idea. When I target the mobs we are pulling there are no sunders on the mobs. When I recommend using devastate they just tell me its useless. So am I right or are they right?
devastate is not useless, but on trash and other mobs that die quickly, you might only see a couple sunders, if any.
on bosses and mobs that last longer, if you don't see any sunders, then you see a bad warrior. send them to read the stickies.
Post by
Arkaen
... "Unless they played their warrior in TBC they probably don't have a clue - yet"
Our guild MT warrior in is in full T8, is a phenominal tank, and only begun playing WoW in March.
Not to put words in anyone's mouth, but I believe what he was saying is that some tanks who are still in the leveling up part of the game, like the op, may have just recently started tanking. Generally, that means that they're not very good at it until they get a bit of experience under their belts, like I was at the start of Burning Crusade.
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Post by
SeaOfHoles
1. If there is only 1 mob (non boss), it dies so quickly, no chance to ever apply devastate.
2. If multiple mobs, Cleave.
Post by
twitch77
the warrior tanks you've seen. . .just suck.
i'm loving my warrior tank, rarely have agro issues.
but yeah about the devistate/sunder. . .like what's already been said, on trash i don't use devistate much.
but if you ever see a warrior tanking a boss, without a full stack of sunders (5), and if he's not keeping that stack of 5 going. . .then he's hindering the entire group imho.
i've heard alot of people complaining about warriors sucking as tanks.
i'm finding that the more i learn my warrior, the more i learn about tanking in general, and the more confidence i have in myself. . .the better i get.
warriors are more then capable of being great tanks. it's all about how skilled the player behind that warrior is.
Post by
SeaOfHoles
Two key issues.
People forget a big problem is WOW replayability. This is not EQ. There just isn't anyone to group with prior to 70. There really isn't.
People are so ****** up when it comes to standards. They have no tolerance for anything other than a perfect run (which means essentially no challenge, a very weak way to play which does little to improve your skills). You know the type, "
LF 30K HP Tank to do UK(Heroic)
"
I tanked a few instances here and there during my 60s, but for the most part it was solo 1-70. When I did group, I let people know what I was a fairly new tank, and still learning the craft, so please take that into account and give me any advice as we go along.
This forum is a great source of information, but still, putting it in practice is a different thing.
Post by
Arideni
Devastate isn't useless or it would have been reworked again--or removed.
@Arkaen: You mean like how you are now? :-P
Post by
Cerathas
Devastate is exactly as stated... Down the priority list from other abilities. Tanking as a warrior is not as easy as it seems to be for the other tanking classes. You just can't miss if you want to do it right. Can't miss a chance to put SS, Revenge, Thunderclap, or Shockwave on cooldown. On boss fights it's a mandatory 5 sunders and keep them up through the whole fight but on trash it just doesn't matter when I shield slam them in the face for 3K - 4K damage.
So really in the end on trash I'm trying to keep 4 attacks on cooldown all the time and toss in cleaves for the groups whenever I have the chance. Oh yeah and not missing my free HS from revenge, but the macro helps with that.
All in all I find it much less stressful to dps. Maybe I'll try tanking with my DK... Or maybe not. (blood spec, faceroll, win)
Post by
Porcell
Devastate is exactly as stated... Down the priority list from other abilities.
Down the priority list doesn't mean bad. It's still going to be around 40% of your GCDs and around 12-13% of your damage/threat on a boss fight. After the patch, that will go up to around 20% or so of your damage/threat.
Devastate is a great ability. Shield Slam and Revenge just happen to be a bit better (and thus why they are on 6 and 5 second cooldowns).
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Post by
Fakir
Now I've been healing for a while and I just want to know what has been happening with warriors.
My friend is leveling up a DK and I'm trying to help him get some gear in a few instances.
Now the warriors I see suck. They lose agro constantly and just generally have no idea. When I target the mobs we are pulling there are no sunders on the mobs. When I recommend using devastate they just tell me its useless. So am I right or are they right?
Don't generalise from what you see players that are still levelling up do. You're right. Unless they played their warrior in TBC they probably don't have a clue - yet.
Pardon me good Sir, but I think you just made a huge generlisation yourself?
... "Unless they played their warrior in TBC they probably don't have a clue - yet"
Our guild MT warrior in is in full T8, is a phenominal tank, and only begun playing WoW in March. What's your point? If the tank you mentioned is in T8 gear he is not still leveling up, is he?
About devastate:
With the recent changes to devastate it in 3.2 devastate has probably moved up ahead of revenge on the priority list, and you will hence see the sunders appear a bit faster than previously. Shield Slam, TC and SW will still have priority, though, so devastate is still not as high on priority as it was before the WotLK patch.
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Post by
Porcell
About devastate:
With the recent changes to devastate it in 3.2 devastate has probably moved up ahead of revenge on the priority list, and you will hence see the sunders appear a bit faster than previously. Shield Slam, TC and SW will still have priority, though, so devastate is still not as high on priority as it was before the WotLK patch.
Revenge still does more damage than Devastate and well as costing much less rage. Shockwave and Concussion Blow also both still do more damage than Devastate.
The priorities haven't changed at all. They just brought devastate up from being really low on damage to being not so low on damage.
And don't get me wrong, Devastate is awesome and you'll be using it A LOT. It's the only move we have that isn't on cooldown and is thus always available. On my Ignis fight last night, Devastate was actually #1 on my damage list, even above heroic strike (and I had around 80% HS uptime), with around 30% of my total damage.
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