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This is just like in any profession in the world. The Alchemist in this case got payed, just like say a tattoo artist would, because of the time he invests using his skill -- anything produced during that time is owned by the one paying for the service i.e. time spent using the skill.
Too bad a tattoo artist doesn't proc extra tattoos. =S
I don't think I would want a Tattoo artist to give me extra tattoos lol
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Post by
Zandranas
Be reasonable up front and offer a suitable tip based on procs and 99% of Alchemists will gladly accept.
Be a tightwad and demand extra procs for free and be ignored.
If you treat all your alchemists like your own personnal vending machine you can expect to buy everything off the AH for double...
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Hyperspacerebel
This is just like in any profession in the world. The Alchemist in this case got payed, just like say a tattoo artist would, because of the time he invests using his skill -- anything produced during that time is owned by the one paying for the service i.e. time spent using the skill.
Too bad a tattoo artist doesn't proc extra tattoos. =S
Please get your quote sources right for crying out loud...
Post by
aimo
I follow the "my mats, my procs; your mats, your procs" stated earlier in this thread.
When a buyer advertises in trade specifically for an elixir master to create flasks with their own mats, it should be clear their intention is for the chance of extra being made. Keeping them for yourself is selfish in my mind, even moreso when they give you a generous tip for your time.
If you craft 20 flasks with 8 extra on procs and keep them, that is a mighty large tip you're giving yourself at the expense of someone elses time and effort to get the herbs and vials. 8
Flask of the Frost Wyrm
on my server would run around 320g on the auction house. You wouldn't see me giving a blacksmith a 100g tip on top of the mats I had farmed to have a
Titansteel Destroyer
crafted, let alone 320g, would you?
It's selfish.
Yet how does the alchemist make any money off their profession then? They don't. They specced into being able to make an extra flask or two, that's WHY they did it. You shouldn't benefit from THEIR profession more than they do.
I make 20-40g per person through tips when I create flasks depending on how many they wanted crafted. Every other profession in this game is required to go out and gather mats to create items to turn a profit if they decide not to sell their services through trade, what makes you and Alchemy any different or more special? You spending 2 minutes creating flasks with another persons' materials does not entitle you to 500g worth of procs on top of whatever amount of gold they may tip you to create them in the first place.
Take the 30 minutes out of your day, hell do it while your grinding dailies for all I care, to gather the herbs to create elixirs and flasks and sell them on the auction house. You'd be amazed how fast you can turn a profit for a minimal amount of work with alchemy since elixirs, flasks and potions are always in demand. If you are too lazy to do the work, that is your own downfall and shouldn't be pushed upon others looking to buy your services.
I have 120 Frost Wyrms sitting in my bank right now with the materials to craft another 140, not including procs, whenever I damn well please. At 40g a piece that's 10,400g. Even if I undercut the market by 10g and sell them in bulk, I'm still walking away with 7800g. That's more money than I currently have spread across all my toons.
Alchemy sure is hard to turn a profit alone!
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JemiS
I make 20-40g per person through tips when I create flasks depending on how many they wanted crafted. Every other profession in this game is required to go out and gather mats to create items to turn a profit if they decide not to sell their services through trade, what makes you and Alchemy any different or more special? You spending 2 minutes creating flasks with another persons' materials does not entitle you to 500g worth of procs on top of whatever amount of gold they may tip you to create them in the first place.
Wow, 20-40g tips?
Must be your server.
I'm lucky to get a 10g tip for milling 6 stacks of herbs and making a darkmoon card. More often, I get around 2-5g.
Same for upper level enchants- I get 1-5g as my usual tip, even for rare enchants like Crusader and Mongoose.
Post by
thelaks
Although this has been beaten to death, and I am not intending to smack it around more, I would be really interested to know if there is an age gap in what people's opinions are.
I remember a documentary about how minors roughly less than 13 years or so saw things in very black and white. As an example, they were told of a situation where a man has a wife who is dying. The only cure is in a locked doctor's office, to which he isn't allowed. He breaks in and steals the cure to save his wife. The question is, should he have done it? Almost all young people say no. Their brains (in general) are simply not yet developed enough to deal with this issue.
Similarly, the brain still continues to develop up to 20/21, and before then there is still a lack of empathy or consideration of others, to which older people (in general) are more acutely aware.
Having read both sides, I am curious to know if younger people believe that the procs simply belong to the alchemist, whereas older people believe the procs should go to the buyer (perhaps for an optional larger tip)
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JemiS
Interesting theory, although I would surmise that the younger people would believe that the procs should belong to the buyer, not the other way around.
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Although this has been beaten to death, and I am not intending to smack it around more, I would be really interested to know if there is an age gap in what people's opinions are.
I remember a documentary about how minors roughly less than 13 years or so saw things in very black and white. As an example, they were told of a situation where a man has a wife who is dying. The only cure is in a locked doctor's office, to which he isn't allowed. He breaks in and steals the cure to save his wife. The question is, should he have done it? Almost all young people say no. Their brains (in general) are simply not yet developed enough to deal with this issue.
Similarly, the brain still continues to develop up to 20/21, and before then there is still a lack of empathy or consideration of others, to which older people (in general) are more acutely aware.
Having read both sides, I am curious to know if younger people believe that the procs simply belong to the alchemist, whereas older people believe the procs should go to the buyer (perhaps for an optional larger tip)
Its irrelevant whether he should have done it or not if in fact he has already done it. :S
To everyone else though, its pretty simple, if you want the procs say so beforehand and choose an alchemist that agrees with you. You guys are giving this way too much hype by trying to assign absolute ethical values to a game world.
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Valanthien
I have an Iron rule when announcing my alchie services.
If I'm still leveling, I will make it clear that the client will keep any resulting proc and tips are not required even if appreciated. It will bring a lot more costumers to me and it's also a good opportunity to tell them you will always be available for him or her, and therefore keep a possible costumer for a long term relationship.
When I get to the skill cap I change my advert to say I will work for no tip (unless you simply feel like giving me some), but I will expect the costumer to pay 25% of AH value on the procs. I know that's usually not much money, but it keeps people coming back.
As long as you make you rules clear before you even touch the trade button, everything always goes smooth.
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