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Monday
You are so defensive whenever someone doesn't condone what the American government is doing in other countries.
Only from you, since you're so unflaggingly anti-American.
Bro, it's not the world war anymore, no one is talking about that.
But it fits neatly into my argument. I have yet to see you refute the actual argument besides kicking up some dust.
However, you and I agree on the drones part. I do not condone the use of drone warfare, especially not with the recent developments about targeting American citizens.
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Monday
But you're playing psychic when you claim to know Iran would kill 70+ million people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel
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Skreeran
I don't agree with the things that Israel was founded on, and I'd rather it weren't there in the first place, but now that it is, and there are nice people who were born there, and whose parents were born there, I'd say they qualify as having a right to the land.
My ancestors came from Europe and displaced the natives, but I don't think that means I should be deported back to Europe.
And I totally believe that Ahmadinejad would nuke Israel if he could. He'd nuke it until he ran out of nukes. That man is crazy.
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Gone
Israel sucks, probably shouldn't be bombed though.
I'm still not sure why anyone trusts America with nuclear weapons and not Iran,
I can understand not supporting the American government, but you can't really compare them to Iran. Imagine if the Catholic church put out a hit on Dan Brown after the Davinci Code came out, and the US government publicly announced their support of the hit on Brown, and his family. Because that's what Iran did with Salman Rushdie. Or imagine if the US said they wanted to wipe out every man, woman, and child in North Korea.
I don't see Iran invading countries whenever they feel like it.
If they had the power to they would.
you're playing psychic when you claim to know Iran would kill 70+ million people.
The 70 million number I was referring to is the population of Iran, who would be put in jeopardy if it came to nuclear war with Israel. The best they could hope for is mutual destruction, but more likely they would get one missile off and be blown off the map by the retaliation.
Only from you, since you're so unflaggingly anti-American.
She's not anti American, she's just anti war, and since right now America is the biggest player in terms of high tech war, and has the most capacity for destruction of any nation on the planet, it's natural you would get that impression from her debates. It doesn't make her anti American though.
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Japan, would you have the same feelings about it if it had happened in America? (with the same outcome, except the death and destruction of American people and land)
I wanna say yes, but probably not. But on the same hand Japan probably wouldn't have felt as strongly about the tragedy if it happened on American soil. It's a sad truth about human nature that people are more affected by things closer to home.
On an unrelated note I think Japan actually handled that a lot better than America would have. That was a shining example of a country coming together and helping each other through a tragedy.
On the other side of the coin when Katrina hit America we had the rich being evacuated early because apparently their lives matter more and the poor stabbing each other over sneakers.
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but I'm not comfortable with America having a nuclear weapon either.
I can agree with this. I'd rather nobody had nuclear weapons. However, if it came down to a single choice, I'd rather America have nuclear weapons than anyone else. While things may seem bad now, I'd hate to have one country be an economic/military superpower and another be a nuclear superpower. It'd be like the Cold War, but in some ways worse.
Though, if I had to pick a second choice, it'd be Australia.
All wars that America has been part of have been outside of America, there is a strange lack of empathy in the way your government seems to handle things.
I disagree in some cases, while in others it's very much true. For example, I was reading
this guy's
autobiography. The hatred with which he referred to the Iraqi people was sickening. He's definitely one of the worst examples of US empathy, imo.
On the other side, though, you have the Korean war. While it came to a stalemate, it allowed a country which was literally one city away from becoming forcibly inducted into Communism to become a shining example of Western philosophy in a fairly backwards part of the world.
On second thought, the Berlin Airlift is probably a better example of what I'm trying to get at.
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I'd give the nukes to switzerland, they seem like nice people
I was debating between putting Switzerland or Australia. Seems Switzerland is a good choice.
I wouldn't bring up the Korean war as a good thing, while it was BETTER than what could've been, a lot of things that happened during that war are beyond sick. (It's funny how these things are never taught in history, I wonder why)
Things happen in every war that are disgusting. I'm just pointing out that, because of American intervention, this country survived and has grown remarkably.
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Gone
I think that if wars were fought on American soil they would actually just get uglier. There's this old story I heard once about the final year of WW2. The French and Americans wanted to start bombing Berlin, but Churchill didn't want to start bombing civilians. Then Nazi planes flew over the allies lines and bombed London again, the next day Churchill gave the go ahead to start bombing Berlin.
Seeing American civilians killed would just serve to kill any empathy the military had for the enemy.
I'm tempted to say that I agree with Funden, that if anybody should have nukes it should be America, but as an American citizen I realize that this serves my own interests so much that I may be biased, so I won't offer up an opinion on that.
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240140
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Monday
There are plenty of countries that are less war happy, and have less enemies.
Out of curiosity, what are your top picks?
(This isn't America, this seems to be all wars... people suck)
That's what I was getting at.
Yeah but then you have North Korea, and those citizens are probably not gonna rejoice in the fact that the OTHER Korea is doing well.
I don't really see your point.
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Benzene - I wouldn't give nukes to Australia purely on its propensity to follow whatever the US / UK are doing blindly.
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Skreeran
(I keep saying you, but I mean the government. I doubt you have anything to do with reservations)I was gonna say, lol.
They might have a right to live somewhere, doesn't mean they have rights to OTHER peoples lands, some Arabs who lived there then are still alive, israeli people do not have a right to that land because they are nice people. Where are you suggesting the Arabs go if the jewish get the rights to a land they stole?
This guy
didn't steal anything. Where are you suggesting HE go if you deported him? He was born in that land, his parents were born in that land, and it's the only place he's ever lived. If he's never seen or interacted with the European continent, what makes you say that he should live there?
I'm pretty strongly against people inheriting crimes from their ancestors. My ancestors kept slaves, but I don't think I should be held responsible for that.
And even if they did, they would have to stop all their bull!. Detention Camps and sending all black people out of the country while getting jewish immigrants from America and other places? Creepy as hell.Sure. I don't particularly like Israel or its policies, but I think don't think deporting every Israeli citizen is right either.
America does a lot of %@#$ed up stuff too, but I don't think there's anything I personally can do to change that.
And you displaced the Natives with genocide and though you might not have to be deported (Europe is the size of texas, where would you even go lol?) you still treat Natives very badly. Reservations are in a lot of ways really bad.Well, that's something of a more complicated issue than you're making it out to be. There are a lot of things about reservations that are pretty bad, but on the other hand, no Native American is forced to live on a reservation. There is nothing stopping a Native American from living the same quality of life as any other American.
As for me being deported, why not? Why do you think Yoav Landau (that Israeli musician I linked earlier) should be deported for his grandparents crimes, but that I shouldn't? As far as I'm concerned, I don't have any more to do with my parents actions as I do with my great-great-great grandparents.
Maybe he would nuke Israel, but he wouldn't harm other Arab countries like you guys are implying.I don't understand. Does that make it okay, then? I don't think anyone should have nukes, much less the crazy authoritarian states of the world.
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