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Holy tank healing Batman!
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Post by
PrimeSonic
Okay, you can ignore the goofy title now. This is actually a sad day for me.
With the incoming nerfs, and the struggle I had the few times I was actually in Ulduar, I'm seriously considering dropping out of Discipline for tank healing.
(Granted I'm also tired of raiding and the game in general, but that's beside the point)
So, I put together a
single target specialized holy build
. The Circle of Healing in there is mostly just to have another spell to make up for loosing Penance.
This would be a heavy FHeal/GHeal spec, making full use of Serendipity as needed and getting extra spellpower via Spirit as needed.
Please, let me know if I'm out of my mind. As things stand, I love Disc healing, but once we start doing Ulduar, I don't think I'll be able to keep up anymore. :(
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Post by
ande9249
I have only played my disc priest at 80, now dual speccing into shadow, but when I first hit that penance button, I just knew I couldn't go away from it. However, I do note that actually using Pain suppression effectively, i.e. more than once in a 4 min fight, has made a world of difference for me, and my esteem as a useful healer in any situation. Yeah, I agree we are basically losing a glyph in the next patch, every preist is going to come to grips with the PoH nerf coming too, i could see Disco glyphs simply being : flash, penance, shield .....priorities first....
Post by
Kataly
i could see Disco glyphs simply being : flash, penance, shield .....priorities first....You mean those weren't the glyphs we were using before?
I'm going to be very sad when the Penance CD is lengthened, but it's not like it's entirely breaking the spec. We're still solid Tank healers.
@Prime
- Once your guild gets used to Uld, you'll find it much easier.
I'll always be disc. Bubblezzzzz. (And sadly I will never ever get our legendary because of it T-T)
Post by
PrimeSonic
So, then I guess I'm gonna have to take better care of all my tools.
What insight could you provide for better using our situational spells?
Power Infusion
Pain Suppression
Greater Heal (yeah, I wonder if it has a place in Ulduar tank healing)
I haven't had any trouble healing so far, but I just felt I was scraping by in Ulduar.
Post by
Paolo
Our first few times in Ulduar were very stressful too. Tanks were dying for the first time in months. It was totally frustrating to be so relied upon and to fail so hard. I mean, we all struggled, dps and tanks and healers. But that's to be expected, I think. If you don't have to struggle to overcome new obstacles, I mean, what could be the point?
One thing I changed moving into Ulduar was gemming and enchanting purely for spellpower. I dropped all int/spirit/mp5 from my gear, because it was a throughput battle. Just getting enough HP back to the tank was a struggle. I recommend you consider a similar move.
Post by
OscarDivine
Well should you decide to go Holy for a tanking build, I think that you should consider moving your points from Blessed Resilience to Divine Providence. PoM can be HUGE for you as a tank healer.
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Post by
OscarDivine
I don't think it's so bad a choice MacTarnahan. 3% to all healing spells is pretty nice! but I think 6% to PoM is better than 3% to all spells, but that's just how I cast. Point for point, I would make more use out of Divine Providence than Blessed Resilience. this is preferential though.
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Post by
OscarDivine
I think he would want to modify his spec slightly to be a more effective Holy Raid / AOE healer. Certain abilities like Healing Prayers and (again) Divine Providence would be far more useful as a raid healer. Many raid healers even like to put a point or two into Healing Reach because you can get to that slightly-out-of-range player.
Post by
PrimeSonic
I think he would want to modify his spec slightly to be a more effective Holy Raid / AOE healer. Certain abilities like Healing Prayers and (again) Divine Providence would be far more useful as a raid healer. Many raid healers even like to put a point or two into Healing Reach because you can get to that slightly-out-of-range player.
The only time I'd respec to raid healing would be if there was absolutely no other way to do an encounter. Until then, I'm happy being a cloth pally :P
I'll stay as Disc for a while and make sure to try some more Ulduar before even considering a switch.
Post by
ande9249
So, then I guess I'm gonna have to take better care of all my tools.
What insight could you provide for better using our situational spells?
Power Infusion
Pain Suppression
Greater Heal (yeah, I wonder if it has a place in Ulduar tank healing)
I haven't had any trouble healing so far, but I just felt I was scraping by in Ulduar.
Having some mod ( I would have no idea which) pop up when power infusion is off cool down would be a great help, and then just throwing it on a dps whenever it comes off cool down (I remember a few weeks ago there was a thread with a macro to do this)
Simply use pain suppression. Too simple? wait until you cast your 2nd penance (usually the tank has enough threat by then) and the use the pain suppression, and take the time to regen mana, top off the group/raid, throw out a shadowfiend, or the one I havent tried yet, Hymn of hope mid combat (could really help all of your other mana based dps on a boss fight). But the moral is that it is a 1min 47 sec cool down with talent that every disc gets, which means that you should be able to use it more than once in a boss fight. we all know that "at the last bit, when the boss enrages this is a life saver" but...it could mean alot of benefit for the group 2 min earlier too...
I don't use greater heal, might need to with the penance nerf (just in case I really want another glyph besides penance) for big heals right after a penance heal (penance MT, PW:S MT, GH dps with haste boost :)
Post by
Kataly
I bind Pain Suppression and Power infusion together, PS on my target and PI on myself for the hps boost. Otherwise, i throw it to top caster dps when i remember.
Post by
ande9249
I bind Pain Suppression and Power infusion together, PS on my target and PI on myself for the hps boost. Otherwise, i throw it to top caster dps when i remember.
actually a really elegant solution considering that they have the same cool down... Might want to try that myself, thank you :)
Post by
debaser
I like to shadow fiend, shield tank, pain supp tank, cast hymn of hope full which is hasted with borrowed time. This insures that I get full mana bar + tank won't die.
Post by
volrath
I bind Pain Suppression and Power infusion together, PS on my target and PI on myself for the hps boost. Otherwise, i throw it to top caster dps when i remember.
actually a really elegant solution considering that they have the same cool down... Might want to try that myself, thank you :)
The cooldown for Pain Supression is 3 minutes, and the cooldown for Power Infusion is 2 minutes.
Just wanted to point that out.
Post by
karlusdavius
Things to consider,
The encounters are designed that there is a lot of spike damage. Your not meant to be solo healing a tank in most main modes. It's just not possible even with our mitigation. Holy paladins coupled with us is a great boon and powerful combination.
My advice would be to gem to spell power. Switch everything out. I also switched out my gem for the 3% increased critical healing effect. the 8 mp5 is naff, but the healing increase (i sit at around 45% crit raid buffed) is very nice on fights where the tank does take a bashing.
Penance critical tick = 5k
Flash heal critical = 6.5k
I still have problems keeping a 50k HP tank up on my own. Those values just don't cut it in the time frame in which he may get hit again.
Other price of advice. Aim for 10 - 15% haste. Getting your penance down to below 2 seconds with BT haste buff is very good at making a quick buffer for the next hit. I ran with 5% haste before ulduar and had the same problems as you did. Balancing haste and crit is very important, especially in hard modes!
Don't try and keep the tank up on your own in encounters where they do take high damage. Its just not meant to happen.
oh, and ffs slap yourself a few times. if your fed up of the game. take a 7 - 10 day break. no WoW at all. i promise you that you will come back with a renewed outlook on things.
Post by
PrimeSonic
Thanks for the feedback.
I did recently re-gem for extra regen, though I think I'll be going back to geming for throughput as I always did. Regen just seemed to come naturally, and nothing I really had to excessively gear for.
And yes, I'm taking this week off.
Lucky for me, we got enough healers this week to cover for me.
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