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Post by
faeofwind
just curious, but if they founded the guild, how long were you a member?
was it possible they took the money and mats because they as the leaders had provided a majority of it? i don't think that would so terrible.
although i do agree it was wrong for them to run off the server and someplace else. that implies it was indeed malicious....
and, no, i have never had this happen. although i've heard some stories like this before.
Post by
faeofwind
and you cant take the gold to the other side, just so you know.
um, yes you can.
all it takes is someone posting a stupid item for like 3k in one of the neutral auction houses and having your "other side" character or buddy buy it. the neutral AH takes a larger cut of the money, but you can still transfer a good chunk over.
Post by
adashiel
I'm going to let this one play for awhile, but a couple ground rules:
No naming names.
No faction / realm / nation-of-origin sniping.
To the OP, what happened is a reportable offense. Nobody is allowed to raid the guild bank, not even the leaders.
Post by
Gnoktish
i had the same thing i was in a major raiding guild, we always did alot of raids we all had a good time till we invited this one man into our guild, he acted all cool he particulary knew the GM in RL and he promoted him to a rank that was just like GM but couldnt change cash withdrawls.. it was 5 days till i asked if we had any netherweave cloth so i could make netherweave bandages for an upcoming raid so i could self heal.. as soon as i opened the GB everything was gone! from the epic gear we had stored inside to every single pint of cash WE ALL WENT BESERK and started yelling at the GM and he was so fustrated.. as soon as i go into the AH to buy netherweave i find all of our cloth being sold by the same guy, as soon as the guild found out they started leaving... i cant even believe the gear i stored in for a friend who left to washington was stolen... he needed that stuff bad.. all we know is that the guy must have gotten onto his friend's profile and upgraded him so he could do anything...
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faeofwind
I'm going to let this one play for awhile, but a couple ground rules:
No naming names.
No faction / realm / nation-of-origin sniping.
To the OP, what happened is a reportable offense. Nobody is allowed to raid the guild bank, not even the leaders.
I didnt know it was reportable. Interesting. So if i start a guild, put most of the gold and items in the guild bank, then decide to take it out, my guild can report me? seems like there is something terribly wrong with that as well.
i'm curious about this as well...it does indeed seem wrong on some level.
yes, the OP's problem is reportable, i see that. but in general?
Post by
jadylyon
Guilds are communes.
They are made up of people who (ideally) all contribute more or less equally to the group. Some with items, some with money, some with expertise or time. Guilds are by the group, for the group.
The guild leader is the one who started it, sure. But he or she is responsible only for cohesion of the group and to make sure that the governing rules, such as they are, are carried out and the "vision" upheld.
No one person, founding member or appointed to authority afterwards, has the right to abuse or steal outright the time, effort, money or objects of the group entire. That's theft and/or fraud if it was premeditated - ie, the guild was founded with the sole objective of collecting the efforts of many to fund the needs of one.
Objects can be replaced. Time and emotional investment cannot.
Post by
Porcell
Soon after WotLK, a few pretty good players started a guild that was intended to be progression raiding. I got in on the ground floor, joined the first day it was created, and was a class leader. The GM and one of the officers were college buddies and ran the guild and acted as raid leaders.
Everything was going really well. We were third overall on progression for the first several months of WotLK (the two above us were long-time established guilds). However we hit a wall when we kept trying to do 2-drake Sarth. As with a lot of guilds, we had 10-12 good dedicated players and the rest were just Okay.
However, the GM/Friend were a bit immature for my tastes and not very good leaders. Their tact in raids was lacking, very often devolving into name calling and swearing if anything went remotely wrong. (I'm of the opinion that you should be calm, evaluate a situation, determine resolution, and implement resolution, as opposed to "You all suck, this is easy, what is wrong with you people.")
So after we stalled out on progression, we couldn't get people interested in going to work on Sarth+2. Everyone just wanted to run Naxx over and over and gear up and run easy raids.
Ah, another thing I disagreed with; the GM was a Paladin Healer (and he was quite good), I was the guild's MT, and we would run a LOT of heroics. However, no matter who was in the group, the GM would always need on every piece of gear "for the guild bank." Even personal heroic runs. I understand if we are running Naxx and you want to collect the green to put in the guild bank for guild enchants, that's fine, but he was doing it on personal run heroics. I like my gold too, you know... The other part was that we had a tab that was like 1/3 Dust, 1/3 Greater Essence, and 1/3 Shards/Crystals. They were never handed out for enchants. (Also DKP was given for guild donations, either items or straight gold, so there was a LOT of stuff flowing into the guild bank from the members).
Anyway, after like 3 or 4 weeks of getting nowhere on Sarth+2, I log in one day to find all guildbank access restricted and half the members gone. As I'm logged in I'm kicked from the guild, as is everyone else but the GM and his IRL Friend. They took it upon themselves to destroy the guild, throw everyone out, and keep 5 tabs worth of guild bank equipment to themselves. I did some rough math at the time and it was like 62,000g worth of equipment in there (because everything was always taken from the members, but never used). I tried to reason with the friend (the GM was a total asshat and could not be reasoned with) to allow me and the other class leaders/officers to take the guild bank loot and divvy it up among the core raiders. We even said that he and the GM could keep half of it, just let us have the other half and disburse it to membership that we deemed deserved a piece. Nothing, GM and Friend kept everything.
Post by
Zoneseek
I played with 1 guild through most of vanilla, and was an officer until they xfered to a new server and I rerolled alliance into one of the top guilds on the current server as my reputation allowed me a free ticket in. About 6 months later I still had the account info of a bunch of the other officers and stumbled my way on to the guild bank char (there was no guild banks in the game back then so guilds used a mule). I looted the entire thing and ended up making like 9k gold on a server I didn't even play on.
About 6 months later just before BC came out I decided to go play with them, so i xfered my original horde char over and had 9k gold goin into BC. I had my epic flyer the week BC was released because I looted my guilds guild bank and they didn't even know it.
I still play with them off and on but they quit wow now. Good times.
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Post by
adashiel
Contrary to popular opinion, the guild leader does
not
own the guild. Blizzard does. So even if you've sunk your heart and soul into your guild, if you then decide to make off with the guild bank, don't be surprised if you find it taken away from you with a disciplinary mark on your record.
Post by
Zoneseek
Contrary to popular opinion, the guild leader does
not
own the guild. Blizzard does. So even if you've sunk your heart and soul into your guild, if you then decide to make off with the guild bank, don't be surprised if you find it taken away from you with a disciplinary mark on your record.
I've looted 3 guild banks since 2004 and never got in any trouble whatsoever.
And @ the above poster who replied to me, I live with myself because what happens in a video game really has no affect on me in real life, and I pity those who can't seem to differentiate the two.
Post by
Patty
I've looted 3 guild banks since 2004 and never got in any trouble whatsoever.
You should feel very proud of yourself, what a big man you are.
And @ the above poster who replied to me, I live with myself because what happens in a video game really has no affect on me in real life, and I pity those who can't seem to differentiate the two.
Adashial never said a thing about real life and WoW being the same thing. Morals still should apply, seeing as real people are on the other side of those characters.
For example, rude people on the internet irritate me for being rude, but this is not me mixing up my virtual and real life. It is me applying my beliefs about socialising with others into all forms of socialising, be it WoW, real life or something else.
People use the anonymity of the internet to be d-bags, but in real life they probably wouldn't think twice about acting the way they do online.
Post by
Zoneseek
Yea morals still apply in games. I am such an arsehole because I charged my buddy to rent boardwalk in monopoly. I should have let him stay for free because hes my friend like I would have in real life. I am such a bad person because I didn't share my marbles in happy happy hippo and i just ate them all up and left the other players starving.
rofl
Games.
Real life.
Two different things.
Post by
Greedence
I dont know if this one counts. Way back in Vanilla wow, my first guild was progressing on C'thun. My RL friend who got me into the guild and also the game decided that he wanted to go for Grand Marshal before the old honor system was abolished, and I decided to join him. We were both kicked out of the guild for not raiding even though we both gave warning to the guild. The also considered themselves a casual guild when they raided tues-thurs 6-12 and sunday 2-12.
After that I joined a guild with a game friend who had 4 bosses left in Naxx40 and have been with them since, even when I quit during BC and came back for WotLK I was still in the second guild.
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