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MyTie
Technically, 'right' and 'wrong' are simply how we view things.
Does that mean that 'right' and 'wrong' are simply opinions? If so, does that mean that no act is truely 'right' or truely 'wrong'. If that is the case, then what is the point of acting? If nothing I do in life is right, why do anything at all?
There is no point of acting. Either you act in a manner that society wants from you or you act in a selfish manner and do what you truly think is right. Or, you could just not act, but then again, that's up to the person on whether or not, not acting, is the right or wrong thing to do.So, either thiere is a God, or there is no purpose to life.
Interesting claim. I assume you have the scientific study to back that claim up? Of course you do. Now, if you wouldn't mind linking that, we will all take the point into consideration.
Would you mind providing scientific evidence that contradicts it, please? I assume that by the amount of sarcasm in your retort that you have evidence.
I wasn't the one who made the claim. The responsibility doesn't rest on my shoulders to check the facts, but on the person who spouts them like they are truth.
In actuality, you aren't going to find a study that can prove or disprove a fetus's desire to live. Making a statement either way is a foolish move in a debate.
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I agree, but you were being overly sarcastic and I'm not too fond of that. In all honesty, it has a
desire
to live. It wants to live biologically as you can tell by its ability to grow and be born. Just because it has a desire to live doesn't mean that it can rationalize whether or not being eaten is right or wrong. This is getting nit-picky, but a fetus cannot think, has no experience of the outside world or any recollection of what its surroundings are. It has no understanding of what
living
is aside from a 'coma' state. A fetus has no idea what being eaten means or what it feels like. It can therefore not make a decision on whether or not it wants to be eaten; it has no idea what you are proposing.
It is a logical conclusion. A study is not needed to interpret what a fetus would or would not want. It has no decision making skills. To think that a baby understands the concepts of death is laughable. I remember reading in my psychology books (iirc) that death is not understood by most kids until about the age of 3 or 4, where they grasp the basics of it, but do not fully understand it. How do you expect a fetus to understand that it is about to be eaten, and not want it to happen?Well, there are three different directions I could go. I'll let you choose my path from these options:
1) I could argue that a human does not need to be self aware or have a full understanding of death in order to have a right to life. I could use mentally retarded people, or comatose people as examples. If you say they do, I would them cite court ruleings and laws that state otherwise.
2) I could argue that there is no way of knowing that fetuses do or do not understand death, at least, on an instincutual level. For instance, a newborn baby has reflexes when it is falling. Obviously there is an innate fear of trauma and death there, whether it is consciously understood or not. I could argue that all any of us have is this instinctual level, that none of us really understand death.
3) I could argue that a fetus has a real potential to, if left alive, develop into a being that displays these charachteristics. I could argue that robbing a baby of this potential for understanding is the same as denying a child education. That the potential of the fetus has as much right as your own potential. Therefore, any arguements against its potential could be applied to any human, even you.
Anyway, pick which one you want me to use.
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Gorefiend,
I really think you have a good grasp on the issue. You are articulate, and willing to see both sides of the arguement. This would be a very interesting arguement if we were to carry it out to conclusion. However, I honestly don't feel like having an abortion debate today. It is my son's first birthday and I'm not going to be on wowhead much longer today.
Thanks for the respectful points you made earlier. I leave this thread now.
MyTie
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11) you can argue that babies are actually robots planted in mothers by the government to distract us from the reality that we are all actually grown in vats and fed mind-control drugs until age 3, when we are given to our parents and receive false memories that tell us that we were born from our mothers, and that killing these robots will do very little
^ This.
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Technically, 'right' and 'wrong' are simply how we view things.
Does that mean that 'right' and 'wrong' are simply opinions? If so, does that mean that no act is truely 'right' or truely 'wrong'. If that is the case, then what is the point of acting? If nothing I do in life is right, why do anything at all?
Are you saying that people should cling to man-made values to give purpose to their lives?
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MyTie
Technically, 'right' and 'wrong' are simply how we view things.
Does that mean that 'right' and 'wrong' are simply opinions? If so, does that mean that no act is truely 'right' or truely 'wrong'. If that is the case, then what is the point of acting? If nothing I do in life is right, why do anything at all?
Are you saying that people should cling to man-made values to give purpose to their lives?
What is 'value'? Isn't it something only applied by man? Like beauty? The stars floating in the sky don't know they are beautiful. Without mankind, they would just be floating balls of burning gas, oblivious to thier powerful and destructive nature. Awareness yields recognition of beauty, or value. Without a diety, we are all opinions and material constructs, with arbitrary values that will eventually fall to 0, once we are forgotten. No matter what I do, I will eventually be forgotten. If there is no supreme being, I am eventually worthless. I will become without 'value', since there will be no opinion of me.
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destructive nature
Constructive*.
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MyTie
destructive nature
Constructive*.
Technically, neither, and both. Actually... neither.
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Technically, neither, and both. Actually... neither.
Both.
Star loses mass, but gains energy.
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