Looks like the hat one of the bosses wears.
It would seem the blue still missed what was being said. This does not bode well.I have an alt above ilvl 850 and I barely play it. It took little to no effort to out gear the orderhall gear.
My sex slave xmog shall now be complete, thank you Blizz!
They understood it fine. The OH gear isn't supposed to last very long if you raid or even do mythic+. It exists so people doing solo content and WQs have a couple extra pieces to fill slots they got unlucky on.All the talk about gating was that it takes a very long time to get all pieces of the OH set-- which means that those later pieces like boots will never be useful for anyone, ever, in any circumstances. They should really be gated by something like level 110 and an honored rep at most.
Yeah, that dude from Blizzard TOTALLY missed the point. "It's not meant to be high end", yes, sure, and some pieces are helpful (the helm is given to you just for hittin 110, the belt is now very easily unlockable though the Compendiums).The point is not that the set "get replaced quickly", it's that it gets replaced days or even weeks before you can actually buy it. And the few pieces that you CAN get, you will replace with world quest items or dungeons pieces. Because who's gonna use 6000 order ressources to upgrade one piece of equipment, when they already have to spend more than 30 000 on order halls upgrades, and when they can get the equivalent by killing 5 mobs in whatever world quest is up at the time?Currently the class set is only being "useful" for transmog. That's about it. And I'm not saying like "remove the requirements", I'm just saying "lower them". Don't ask to complete 8 Legion dungeons, ask for 5 (which you will likely do as part of you leveling). Don't ask for exalted with the nightfallen, maybe ask for the achievement "Nightfallen but not forgotten". Don't ask "revered with two factions", ask to be honored with all (which again, is fairly quickly done with leveling and a few world quests). Finally, don't ask to finish the campaign of the order hall (which takes about a week regardless of the amount of time you play, because it's locked behind champions' missions), ask for the player to have got all his artifact weapons. We all get your point. Class sets are not meant to be good enough for raids, and we all agree it's a good thing. But if it's meant to be a starting point for mythics and such, don't give players requirements that will make them gear up to ilvl 850 in the process. It's exactly the same problem people encounter on pick up groups for mythic + : you're asked to be ilvl 875 for a dungeon that rewards 850 gear. The class set is the same. By the time you can buy the 820/840 pieces, you're already 850.
I have five 110 alts and I have never had any use for the Order Hall gear 'cept for one piece on one toon and I wore it for maybe 2-3 days. Also, the Blue suggests an ilvl 860 can help you get into Mythics. The lowest ilvl requirement I have seen post 7.1.5 was around 870 I think...It would be nice if we could do some sort of quest chain on our mains to unlock further Class Hall gear upgrades on an account wide level - maybe by incorporating it with the Dalaran forge (forgot its name) somehow?
I've never done any Legion dungeons on my alt. Every piece of gear he has came from world quests. The effort to unlock the the gear is outweighed by world quests. He outgrew the order hall set in the first few times I did world quests with it. It isn't that it doesn't last long, it's that it doesn't last pissing time. It is obsolete within such a short play time it would have been better to have not been introduced at all.
Personally, I feel that the OH gear should be unlocked by level of character. The gear has set bonuses that help while questing, that is why is should be available while you do the most questing.
Wonder how much order resources additional pieces of upgrade kits will cost, and if they will be usable on any gear piece regardless of ilvl. Because right now biggest problem with order sets is that upgrading them fully requires so much resources that it's impossible to do it without outgearing it 'as a side effect' unless you specifically avoid any WQ with gear rewards. And set effect requiring all 8 pieces to be worn seems like mockery.
There's a critical point regarding order hall gear that both the devs and their critics on that post are missing: resource cost. I agree that gating pieces and upgrades behind milestones that take a long time to achieve is a serious impediment to their utility, but even if they lightened those requirements a lot I still wouldn't buy the upgrades on alts, because they cost way too much. It takes 6500 resources to upgrade a piece from 810 to 840, let alone to 860, and while many pieces start above 810, that makes little difference because the higher upgrade levels cost much more than the lower ones. 6500 resources is an amount I'd throw around on my main if these pieces were useful on her, but with no effective way to transfer resources between characters, 6500 is far too much to spend on an alt. I can more easily farm up an 840 piece on a fresh 110 than I can 6500 resources, even if I could buy the 840 upgrades right out of the gate. Even if I could generate those resources with zero effort, I'd rather save them for order hall upgrades that will continue to be useful indefinitely, rather than a gear piece I'm likely to throw in the bank and forget after a few runs through LFR or mythic dungeons. I could see maybe paying 6500 for an 860 piece, though even that would be a questionable choice compared to more than half of an upgrade that would give me a permanent bonus to mission success, a free weekly seal, or an easy WQ completion every 18 hours (an especially tantalizing option on alts). But 6500 just to get to 840, plus another however many to upgrade to 860? Not a chance.Tl;dr: even if the devs address the issues with gating, order hall sets just aren't going to be a useful way to gear up alts and people who are just getting into (or back into) the game unless they dramatically lower the resource costs for upgrading them.
The biggest problem with the class hall armor set is not its low ilvl, its the fact that the requirements to unlock each piece for usage take so long that they are completely outclassed by world quest drops long before you get them, for example the pants require you to defeat the last boss of 8 dungeon bosses and they are only ilvl 820 when i was getting 830+ pants from world quests the second i hit 110, so again the ilvl isnt the issue its that its obsolete long before you can even wear it. removing the requirements and boosting all pieces to 840 base would at least make it useful, but then again there is the completely useless set bonuses it has that also make it not worth collecting all 8 pieces to look at as well, plus the upgrade tokens cost such high amounts of order resource that most people wont have when first hitting 110 its better to save up for the hal upgrades instead. On a positive note tho some of the sets are pretty cool looking so at the very least they make for good transmog appearances.
@FnordCola: Cost is being addressed in 7.2, where you immediately upgrade OH pieces to ilvl 860 from intro broken shores quests.
People will always find reasons to complain, unfortunately.
@Rodalpho: Does the grandiose upgrade token take an item from base ilvl to 860? It just says "upgrade a piece to 860," which I thought was similar to how the other tokens upgraded gear by one step.In any case, that still doesn't really address the problem of buying upgrades. It'll be nice if players get what's essentially a free 860 boost to one piece, but that's not going to make spending resources building pieces from base ilvl to 860 any more appealing unless they actually reduce the cost of doing so.
If these were account wide; they'd be useful. The requirements to unlock them, plus the resource cost to upgrade them make them entirely useless in their current state. Most of my alts are 850-860+ from just world bosses and world quests, with the occasional timewalking. I might eventually unlock these sets, but it will be purely for xmog. If they think it makes sense to grind these out, they're sadly mistaken, as it's just a waste of time. Maybe when I finally get my druid to 110 he'll use them, but even that's doubtful :P
OH set should be entirely cosmetic and acc wide. Pure end. It' useless for gearing anyway. It sucks having to grind rep again to wear it on my alt.