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Warlock destruction spellrotation(WotLK) and other problems
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Post by
asakawa
spell rotation:
CoA > Corr > CB > (immo > inc > inc > inc > inc > conflag)
cast CB whenever it's cool down is off but try not to cast it after conflag because it doesn't improve much with the lower casting compared with incinerate.
maintaining both CoA and corr will give an ideal uptime of 80% for molten core (now that molten core lasts 12 seconds not 6)
don't spam conflag whenever you can, ideally you only miss one tick of immolate.
Post by
Razmortis
Easiest thing to do would be to configure your DoTimer (wich I hope you have) so that it's shown central of your screen, and it shows the dots on your target and the cooldowns of your spells (filtered, of course, so your screen is not filled with unimportant information for the encounter you are in) so that you can see easily when to put up a new DoT, when to use Conflag (when the timer has about 2-1 seconds left) and when Chaos Bolt is ready to be cast. I don't think you should think too much about what to cast after Conflag., because the Conflag. buff is more like a total improvement of your whole DPS rather than something you have to time with different spells. If you do, you'll most likely just loose some DPS while waiting for something.
Post by
asakawa
while i agree that it might not be best to obsess over what you cast with backdraft it IS worth some thought.
the best thing to cast is shadow bolt (it gains the most and makes the most of SB's high coefficient) and, when CB was all schools and before corruption went instant, most theorycraft rotations had <conflag > SB > SB > SB> to make the most of backdraft and give a good chance of molten core or imp SB being up.
well, all that has changed but incinerate is still better than CB.
now, getting CB off whenever it's up will improve overall DPS but getting the most bang for your buck from backdraft will also really help. the key is to find a rotation which has CB coming off cooldown between backdraft and the next conflag. i'm sure we'll be able to find a good sustainable rotation when we have chance to play with it so we should bear ideals in mind now.
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Post by
irharry
One last note: cast like a Mage. Life tap only when you are OOM(use it like evocation). I have found it far more effective then attempting to cycle it into an already complex spell cycle. :)
This is the only bit I disagree with - pick and choose when to life tap, don't let your mana needs dictate it for you. There will always be times when you have a second, or half a second between dot refresh's, or managing your chaos bolt CD's etc, when you can fit in a lifetap. Even if you wouldn't need to for another 15 seconds I've always found it useful to slot it in wherever you can
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Post by
Kaitain
spell rotation:
CoA > Corr > CB > (immo > inc > inc > inc > inc > conflag)
cast CB whenever it's cool down is off but try not to cast it after conflag because it doesn't improve much with the lower casting compared with incinerate.
maintaining both CoA and corr will give an ideal uptime of 80% for molten core (now that molten core lasts 12 seconds not 6)
don't spam conflag whenever you can, ideally you only miss one tick of immolate.
something to bear in mind is that if you do
immo > inc > inc > inc > inc > conflag
your last incinerate lands without Immolate being up anymore, unless you wait to conflag while Incinerate is travelling, but that would be bad. Perhaps we need to use CB to bridge this gap, i.e.
immo > inc > inc > inc > inc > CB > conflag
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Post by
asakawa
ok. we need to cover a few fallacies.
immo does not proc MC
immo has a 15 second DoT. a talented incinerate is 2.25 seconds long, call it 2.5 with bad lag. you should be able to get 5 off easily within immo's run time. with good latency and a bit of haste you can go for 6 (you'll need to be confident about it). i put 4 but i meant 'repeat', perhaps i should've put (inc x n).
the added incinerate damage that comes from immo is set at cast not when the spell hits so as long as you have immo up at the completion of the incinerate cast you're fine.
chaos bolt is a very high damage spell with an excellent coefficient due to bane. it isn't worth pondering. shadowburn and shadowfury, on the other hand, are likely to be a DPS loss. instant cast isn't really instant. DPCT is the important thing and they have to be good DPCT for a 1.5 second GCD. shadowburn may be ok but the shard cost makes it unmanageable for boss fights when it would actually matter. shadowfury isn't a dps spell.
Post by
Kaitain
immo does not proc MC
It did last time i checked (2 weeks ago on PTR)
the added incinerate damage that comes from immo is set at cast not when the spell hits so as long as you have immo up at the completion of the incinerate cast you're fine.
ok cool i didn;t know that
Post by
asakawa
It did last time i checked (2 weeks ago on PTR)
hmm, that's interesting. i've made a point of not going on the ptr cos i want there to be some surprises (silly, i know, after reading up on it) but most(/all) reports say immo does not proc MC. i have zero personal experience so i don't doubt what you say but immo proccing mc makes little sense and goes against what i'm seeing on EJ and wartlock's den etc.
Post by
Sgtown
On beta, Immo DOES NOT proc MC. MC is strictly SHADOW ONLY spells.
MC lasts 12 seconds, not 6. This makes both CoA and Corr worth it to keep up, or at least no worse than Incinerate.
Chaos Bolt should ALWAYS be on cooldown or casting. It is AMAZING.
You should have your imp attacking and giving you Emp. Imp procs.
Personally, I don't spec backdraft. I find that instead, speccing Imp. Life Tap is just as good. And allows you to boost your shadow dot damage. And spec into "helpful" or defensive or "fun" talents like Aftermath, Shadowfury, Shadowburn, Nether Prot, etc...
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224879
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Post by
asakawa
ISB nerf puts the.nail in the shadow coffin sorry, you're wrong.
fire already gives higher personal DPS on live it just has no synergy. raid synergy is broken in wrath so fire is back on the table.
you can't look at coefficients and say one is better. incinerate is faster so hits for less but more often.
there is a potential shadow build but it's 31/0/40
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226375
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Post by
asakawa
1.85 incinerates with 127 haste?
ideally you shouldn't cast immo during the backdraft buff because it reduces cast time, it does not increase haste. this means that it won't go beyond the GCD. anything below 1.5 is wasted. this is why a lot of people are suggesting conflag > SB > SB > SB > immo -we'll have to wait and see.
i'm sure corruption will add DPS to a destro rotation.
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224879
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Post by
asakawa
if i look at warcrafter right now i see that incinerate DPS is higher than shadow bolt... by a long way. the thing that made shadow better was the amazing raid synergy with shadow priests and ISB giving an effective 35% boost that fire couldn't compete with.
in wrath ISB is halved and shadow weaving doesn't effect locks.
meanwhile MC is boosting fire.
i'm perfectly happy to be proven wrong but you'll need to prove it, not just say it's based on "perusing forums" and "number crunching". i've looked at forums too and i've crunched numbers. what i haven't done is play at level 80. if what you're saying is more than anecdotal then back it up.
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